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reagan was asked if he had anything to say to the people in the country who did not vote for him and who did not feel that they were part of the reagan revolution. he was also asked about nancy reagan falling down and bumping her head right before the election. he said that she had a tender lump on the side of her head, but that she would be fine. in president clinton's first press conference, after he was re-elected to a second term, the president started to answer a question about the role of first lady hillary clinton in the second clinton term, before he sort of diverted himself into talking about just how damned tired he was. >> well, let me answer the question about hillary. i think what first lady will do is something that i think it will be consistent with what she's been doing, but we have not, frankly, we've been too tired to talk about it. yesterday, i'm embarrassed to tell the american people, i actually slept past noon. i was tired. >> there's no shame in that. >> in the first press conference that george w. bush gave after he was re-elected in 2004, the president gave a
reagan was asked if he had anything to say to the people in the country who did not vote for him and who did not feel that they were part of the reagan revolution. he was also asked about nancy reagan falling down and bumping her head right before the election. he said that she had a tender lump on the side of her head, but that she would be fine. in president clinton's first press conference, after he was re-elected to a second term, the president started to answer a question about the role of...
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. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election which they lost. they lost all minority groups by large margins. when you look at your group and you have that momentous change, what do you say to people who look at that change and think i'm not sure i'm happy about the fact that there is a -- in the democratic caucus? >> i haven't met anybody like that yet. >> but let's say i would say everybody is talking about how we can appeal to these people to vote for us and we are saying no, we want to go beyond that. we want them to represent us. so it is not about we need your vote this is an election day alliance, we want you to have a seat at the table. it is not t
. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election...
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this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to grips with reality. >> great pleasure having you both on. as people continue to suffer in the wake of hurricane sandy, thousands are homeless and without power. the american red cross is trying to push back against criticism from storm victims. >> they take people's hard-working money to assist people, and then when push comes to shove, they don't assist. >> so the red cross is not disputing that, but also calls its response, quote, flawless. many of the people you're looking at in that video do not believe the response has been flawless. we'll talk with nbc news senior investigative correspondent lisa myers regarding the red cro
this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to...
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college like we used to have before ronald reagan all across the united states or in many places it is certainly california is out for people say yes what are you willing to pay taxes for people say yes you are and you're willing to say yes well the majority the vast majority so you think you should be able to exit for that and all of our money yes i think redeploy i think we're all in on this. really more when there are these then we should reserve you using force to take my money should be reserved for areas of mass consensus i'm telling you you don't have the sixty five percent of americans in the exit polling after the last election so they thought the taxes should go a good forty nine percent of americans don't like obamacare so you're telling me that fifty one percent of america should be able to buy force take forty nine percent of america's money because you've declared it a mandate well that's how it works though they've done that so i don't that's a you know that is that was reagan said the same thing he said ok by force we're going to take a trillion dollars from people's mo
college like we used to have before ronald reagan all across the united states or in many places it is certainly california is out for people say yes what are you willing to pay taxes for people say yes you are and you're willing to say yes well the majority the vast majority so you think you should be able to exit for that and all of our money yes i think redeploy i think we're all in on this. really more when there are these then we should reserve you using force to take my money should be...
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we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why romney lost," crystal ball and steve kornacki, thank you for joining me. >>> coming up, the first battle that will be fought in the republican civil war will be over taxes and some republicans are already sounding like liberal democrats on that one. carolyn finney and jonathan capehart will join me. sex, lies, and e-mail brought down the director of the cia. tonight, the story is getting stranger by the hour. the newest twist involves the shirtless e-mails of one of the fbi investigatoinvestigators, a the hour, law enforcement officials have conducted a search of paula bro
we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why...
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reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more efficiencies to the program so we can add the years of solvency. >> what about eligibility age change? >> well, eligibility age change would fall in the realm of benefit cuts. we need to focus like i said first on making sure we build in more efficiencies to the program. we have been able to from obama care make sure that with that $716 billion in savings plowed in to waste, fraud and abuse -- fighting waste, fraud and abuse we have collected more than $10 billion in fraudulent medicare payments and we can make more progress in that area, as well. >> thank you so much. i greatly appreciate you joining
reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more...
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he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you congressional republicans were happy with his response. they like to know there is some give. here's where the give could be, chris. nobody's talked about this. i mean, there's been some behind the scenes chatter on this, which is you could see tax rates temporarily go up just not all the way to 39%. it could be somewhere in the middle. ends up being the compromise for the one year. don't forget, this is all about setting the tax rates simply for 2013, while they negotiate larger tax reform. so, that could be what the wiggle room is. obviously, republicans have said they don't want to raise tax rates at all. they're fine wi
he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamant, president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...
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that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the president? not really when you realize in deep south mississippi he got about 10%. a lot of his problem is in the south. it's just the historic problem the democratic party, white or black candidates have this problem having a tough time. also the battle for hillary's job. it's getting hot. it's the first big decision president obama has to make since his re-election. it looks like it's between john kerry and u.n. ambassador susan rice. will the president go with the 2004 presidential candidate or his apparent favorite? and a report from gaza and the latest on the fighting there that i think could lead to a war with ir
that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the...
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it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda. >> what about the republicans? are they going to do a big rethink here? >> yes, and more than one. it was interesting that the republican governors happened to be meeting this week in las vegas when this news about the interesting comments that romney made to his donors that we just saw and the republican governors, bobby jindal of louisiana did not miss five seconds before they really denounced what romney was saying. the republicans have a lot of things to think about, not of which is their growing problem with hispanic voters. that is the big growing group in this country.
it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda....
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ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people of america, they need convincing arguments and convincing people to do it. mitt romney, if you look at it from even the slightest distance, was arguably the worst possible carrier of that message. they need somebody else. they need southern populism or populism from somewhere, but they also need the proof. they need the evidence. and lacking the evidence last time in the election of a week ago, a week or two ago, people went with the -- what they knew, which was the president's belief in the power of government to work well with the economy. >> i think they realized during the campaign thanks to some ext
ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people...
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reagan did it but that was one of the new worst presidents in the last hundred years to win a second bill kristol talked about this area well i mean out of this are the whole monologue in the beginning though and it's based on a faulty argument that tax rates and revenue are the same thing i'm not making an argument to you tom that no one here should pay taxes and finance items for the collective good that's not what i'm saying what i'm telling you is republicans we fail to make an argument that there is a tax rate sweet spot they had where you would generate revenue and not stifle the economy at the same time i don't think we're there i think we're still a bit too high although i think i don't think we're there either i mean if you look at the three decade period when america had its highest sustained growth of g.d.p. and best sustained growth of the middle class it was the fifty's sixty's and seventy's when the top tax rate was ninety one percent i think that's the sweet spot right but look at the reagan rates of twenty percent when you get out we had growth rates of seven five and
reagan did it but that was one of the new worst presidents in the last hundred years to win a second bill kristol talked about this area well i mean out of this are the whole monologue in the beginning though and it's based on a faulty argument that tax rates and revenue are the same thing i'm not making an argument to you tom that no one here should pay taxes and finance items for the collective good that's not what i'm saying what i'm telling you is republicans we fail to make an argument...
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(laughter) >> do like ronald reagan? do you like ronald reagan? >> of course i do. >> i'll make you ronald reagan by you, and i can go in anderson, south carolina and get a social security saying you're ronald reagan. if you're an employer and a hispanic person comes to you with a card that says i'm ronald reagan, you say you don't look like ronald reagan, you can get sued. so what i want to do is have documents that can be verified for employment. i think we should all turn our social security card into a biometric document that can't be faked and you go back to roger ailes to renew your contract, you need to pay mike more. >> say that one more time. >> roger ailes, mike huckabee knocks it out the park on saturday night. >> there you go, there you go. >> when you go back to negotiate with roger, you have a document that fox news can prove quickly that you're mike huckabee. if you did that one thing along with securing the border, it would be harder than heck to hire an illegal immigrant. and if they do, they should lose their business and go to j
(laughter) >> do like ronald reagan? do you like ronald reagan? >> of course i do. >> i'll make you ronald reagan by you, and i can go in anderson, south carolina and get a social security saying you're ronald reagan. if you're an employer and a hispanic person comes to you with a card that says i'm ronald reagan, you say you don't look like ronald reagan, you can get sued. so what i want to do is have documents that can be verified for employment. i think we should all turn...
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you know, since ronald reagan we no longer have 70% tax rates on the highest income earners. nobody is arguing for that. we're arguing to go back to 39.6%. on health care reform, the president's health care reform was basically a conservative idea put into the national spotlight by democrats and passed by democrats. education reform. even cap and trade is really a republican approach to solving environmental problems. we no longer have anyone saying we don't need to balance the budget. in a lot of ways these conservative ideas have won the day. so republicans are in a place where they moved further and further to the right as the democratic party has amoved further and further to the right. now they're out in the mainstream, and in order to have a meaningful, stark contrast with democrats, they've gone to such a far right place that the american people just aren't comfortable with what they propose. >> i'm encouraged by some of the language i heard coming from some folks on the right. there's still people in conservative circles who are saying we can't compromise our values.
you know, since ronald reagan we no longer have 70% tax rates on the highest income earners. nobody is arguing for that. we're arguing to go back to 39.6%. on health care reform, the president's health care reform was basically a conservative idea put into the national spotlight by democrats and passed by democrats. education reform. even cap and trade is really a republican approach to solving environmental problems. we no longer have anyone saying we don't need to balance the budget. in a lot...
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the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who found areas of agreement and moved the ball forward. he didn't look for areas of disagreement and not most ball at all. i think the republican party can do well to learn from ronald reagan. i think it only place where you find people fighting for education, fighting for the grassroots of america really is at fox or talk radio. but you do not see it in the party leaders anymore. they are so busy paying attention to consultants they forgot the people of this country. we need to get back to actually representing the people, not representing the consultants. shannon: you talk about the fact that y
the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who...
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reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors tomorrow. i'm tamron hall. you can watch "news nation" every day 2:00 p.m. eastern time. "the cycle" is up next. into their work, their name on the door, and their heart into their community. small business saturday is a day to show our support. a day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. and do our part for the businesses that do so much for us. on november 24th, let's get out and shop small. challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lig
reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors...
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it was interesting he quoted ronald reagan on the floor yesterday to point out social security has nothing to do with the deficit or balancing budgets, payroll tax that employers and employees pay into the trust fund that finances that and it should not even be discussed in these negotiations. but furthermore, this whole election, this whole national election was a referendum on the republicans' ideas expressed so well by mitt romney by the way yesterday afternoon when he talked about with such contempt for people who might need college loans, or health care, god forbid. and, you know, this election showed americans are completely opposed to the proposed reforms by the republicans on medicare and social security. they don't want entitlements changed or touched. and they want to see the top% pay some taxes. like they did in the clinton era. so if their elected representatives come in and within a week they're talking about changing entitlements and not raising taxes on the very rich, it's not just liberals who will be disappointed. this is whole country here that are behind what obama and t
it was interesting he quoted ronald reagan on the floor yesterday to point out social security has nothing to do with the deficit or balancing budgets, payroll tax that employers and employees pay into the trust fund that finances that and it should not even be discussed in these negotiations. but furthermore, this whole election, this whole national election was a referendum on the republicans' ideas expressed so well by mitt romney by the way yesterday afternoon when he talked about with such...
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in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money. >> you're doing it because you care about america. paul and i have not promised you a bigger check from the government. >> as atwater said, the message is coded. but what he's getting at is crystal clear. joining me now is toure, host of "the cycle" here on msnbc, and the man who tracked down the atwater tape, james carter iv. he's an opposition researcher and the grandson of president jimmy carter. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> james, first of all, tell us how you got your hands on this tape. >> well, i started looking for it a
in 1976 ronald reagan told stories about the so-called welfare queen in an effort to scare white voters. and the very same lee atwater made the willie horton ad a key part of george h.w. bush's 1988 bid for the white house. and in 2012 the same ugliness took center stage in the gop primary. >> we know president obama is the best food stamp president in american history. >> i don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. i want to give them the...
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>> this like the cement cracking around ronald reagan's feet, the first time he raised taxes. i remember when he said that. >> yes, exactly. well, i think the speaker, i think, is setting the tone, as you saw on the front page, above the fold in "the washington post," you know. call his caucus to task, saying he's got to get the nation's business done. and i think what he said implicitly and probably directly behind the door is, trust me on this. you know, i get it. i understand what we need to do. we're not going to sacrifice our principles and values, but we've got to get the nation's business done. and then when we have a bill kristol coming out and saying, you know, they're all rich guys who live out in hollywood. we can raise their taxes. what an 180-degree turn. >> they're not the small business men. >> you'll probably note this, what an election will do. winning and losing has a consequence. and i think for a lot of republicans right now, given where we were two years ago versus where we are right now, you realize, hey, we're going to have to deal. we're going to have t
>> this like the cement cracking around ronald reagan's feet, the first time he raised taxes. i remember when he said that. >> yes, exactly. well, i think the speaker, i think, is setting the tone, as you saw on the front page, above the fold in "the washington post," you know. call his caucus to task, saying he's got to get the nation's business done. and i think what he said implicitly and probably directly behind the door is, trust me on this. you know, i get it. i...
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years later, ronald reagan was elected governor of california. four years later, richard nixon was president. they have something the democrats did not have. they have a great post-boomer generation and trade when you think of them, -- a generation. when you think of them, that is a pretty good bench of energetic, slick, youngish politicians. when you are talking about the democratic party you are talking about joe biden and hillary clinton. we might prefer them to the republican contenders but that is a different generation. there is not this deep democratic bench. >> mr. obama has won a second term. what is your sense of the kind of legacy that he wants to leave in the second term. is he going to be more progressive. toss me about obama's future right quick. >> -- tell me about obama's feature right quick. >> he wants to have a very free pass toward enactment. he would like to fix the fiscal stuff that is on the table even as we speak. i want to believe but i do not have any reason to believe that he would want part of his legacy to deal with t
years later, ronald reagan was elected governor of california. four years later, richard nixon was president. they have something the democrats did not have. they have a great post-boomer generation and trade when you think of them, -- a generation. when you think of them, that is a pretty good bench of energetic, slick, youngish politicians. when you are talking about the democratic party you are talking about joe biden and hillary clinton. we might prefer them to the republican contenders but...
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reagan in 1980. mitt romney was the ultimate remainder man. that's why they have an easier time of dumping on him right now. >> so the clown car has backed up to run over mitt romney. that's the image for the night tonight. >> yes, it is. >> like that woman who didn't like her husband, remember she drove over her husband in the parking lot and drove over him again. i don't want to get involved in that legal case but i do remember the pictures. let's go to john heilemann here. is this the clown car as howard beautifully put it backing up over the guy that outcorkoutdorm and won the election? >> some of these people are not certifiable clowns who are saying these things about romney though i don't disagree with howard's characterization in general. i do think -- >> gingrich -- >> i think it's fair to say that part of romney's problem was that he was really always an incredibly bad fit with the republican party on almost every level. he was not most of the things the republican party is today nor really
reagan in 1980. mitt romney was the ultimate remainder man. that's why they have an easier time of dumping on him right now. >> so the clown car has backed up to run over mitt romney. that's the image for the night tonight. >> yes, it is. >> like that woman who didn't like her husband, remember she drove over her husband in the parking lot and drove over him again. i don't want to get involved in that legal case but i do remember the pictures. let's go to john heilemann here....
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. >> bill: they say we're doing this in the legacy of ronald reagan. bull you know what. ronald reagan raised taxes five times. >> reagan would have no place in the current republican party given some of the things they did. grover norquist holds him up as an icon. grover is in a completely different place than he is on taxes. >> bill: why don't the media expose these people as the liars and hypocrites that they are? >> because they're fair and balanced. >> bill: so are we going over the fiscal cliff? >> i think we are. i think we are. for a couple of reasons. one, there's not a whole lot of time. it is six weeks from tomorrow to the start -- >> bill: they don't have any backbone. >> that's number two. number three 80 lame ducks who may not show up to vote. plus you've got this stale -- continuing stalemate on tax and spending policies and then on top of everything else, it is not really a fiscal cliff. it is a fiscal slope. it stays in place. they called it a cliff but the damage to the economy the real damage only happens if you expose it. >> bill: stan collender, check
. >> bill: they say we're doing this in the legacy of ronald reagan. bull you know what. ronald reagan raised taxes five times. >> reagan would have no place in the current republican party given some of the things they did. grover norquist holds him up as an icon. grover is in a completely different place than he is on taxes. >> bill: why don't the media expose these people as the liars and hypocrites that they are? >> because they're fair and balanced. >> bill:...